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SonGoku92
White Belt
Joined: 10 May 2013
Posts: 19
Location: Reno
Styles: Goju kenpo, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu (self taught)
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Backfist IMHO is not really an attack one can use all the time. but as with any technique has its place. I try to use it a little closer than most people because if a stretched out backfist is blocked it tends to cause problems for me. but thats just me. but I tend to have my own version of everything. lol _________________ "I am the hope of the universe! I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace,I am protector of the innocent, I am the light in the darkness, I am truth... Ally to good! nightmare to you!" |
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infinitehand
Yellow Belt
Joined: 14 May 2013
Posts: 25
Location: Macon, GA
Styles: Okinawa Goju-Ryu
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:56 am Post subject: |
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The backfist is a great technique. Not to be seen as better or worse than a jab. It all depends on how you train it. Find a guy who can't keep his hands up a back fist works every time. Get a guy to drop his hands a backfist works every time. It appears to me that many people see it as a "tag your it" technique. Well if that's how you train it that's all it will do. If you train it to drop people that's what it will do. It's great off angles and its great to set something up. But if you don't like it you probably won't use it and this won't develope which is no problem.
The traditional blocks used as commonly misunderstood "blocks" probably won't help you at all because except in the rarest cases or "modified shortened" versions traditional karate blocks don't work at all. But then again, I personally don't think there are any blocks in Karate. If you like Shotokan but don't want to give up knockdown fighting see if some of your dojo mates want to train that way with you in whatever time you have available. Also you can still compete and such. _________________ "Karate is about digging deeper, not climbing higher." |
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guird
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Posts: 198
Styles: BJJ, MMA, Gongkwon Yusul
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with the backfist for the goal you're trying to accomplish is that it doesn't work with gloves. in kickboxing/mma it won't have much effect because it uses the small surface area of the back of the knuckle to strike a weak point such as the temple.
more of a precision strike than a powerful one.
That said, the spinning backfist has made a few, fairly succesful appearances in MMA.
The traditional blocks, done traditionally are pretty useless I have to agree, and even more so in MMA. a lot of them are more intended to break out of someone's grip, etc, some are meant to double as a hammerfist or forearm strike.
However, merits exist. blocking with a twist of the forearm is a very quick, efficient way to block that leaves a relatively small opening while still forcing the punch away. it has more of a place in mma, which has smaller gloves than in (kick)boxing. |
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Zaine
Black Belt
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 2279
Location: Dallas, TX
Styles: Matsumura-Seito, Shobayashi-Ryu, Shudokan, Long Fist, American Street Karate, Southern Mantis, HEMA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Tradition blocks generally turn out to be strikes. I would disagree with calling them useless. Generally Martial Arts (whichever it may be) don't teach "useless" techniques. _________________ Martial arts training is 30% classroom training, 70% solo training.
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guird
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Posts: 198
Styles: BJJ, MMA, Gongkwon Yusul
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'm still of the old school that doesn't block, we deflect said attack.
_________________ **Proof is on the floor!!! |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't get through all the article, but he had some very good points and input into his thoughts on blocking, and how gloved fighting styles affect one's ablility to use traditional blocking methods. Thanks for posting that for us. Very informative. _________________ www.haysgym.com
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guird
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Posts: 198
Styles: BJJ, MMA, Gongkwon Yusul
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sensei 8,
yes, that is his point and I agree. block is a poor translation for uke , parry matches it better, though not perferctly. |
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infinitehand
Yellow Belt
Joined: 14 May 2013
Posts: 25
Location: Macon, GA
Styles: Okinawa Goju-Ryu
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Receive. Receive is what Uke means _________________ "Karate is about digging deeper, not climbing higher." |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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infinitehand wrote: |
Receive. Receive is what Uke means |
Yes, but it's so misunderstood, imho, because practitoners are thinking along the lines of blocking because said waza might be called, for example, Rising Forearm BLOCK, and then, they think they're suppose to block, instead of its true intent...deflect!!
Once the mind wraps around BLOCK, they're having to be reprogrammed to treat it as a DEFLECTION.
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