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JohnnyS
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Radok,
It doesn't teach them in the traditional sense, but it does teach them as set-ups for takedowns, how to avoid strikes while doing takedowns and how to strike on the ground.
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TJS
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Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Radok wrote: |
| I don't think that BJJ teaches strikes. |
Thats fine, but im telling you you are wrong. it's not an opinon thing it's a fact. But like Johnny said they are more ground striking and strikes to setup takedowns etc. elbows, headbutts, kicks.. |
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goshinman
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 253
Location: pasadena,ca
Styles: hakko densin ryu jujutsu, shuai chiao, catchwrestling, and some judo/sambo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Radok wrote: |
| I don't think that BJJ teaches strikes. |
 >This is funny. Here you have two people who train Bjj, (one of whom is a BLACKBELT who has trained in it for 13 years) telling you that bjj does have strikes (albeit limited), and you tell them you think it doesn't? I guess it's just in their imaginations.
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Radok
Brown Belt
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Location: Florida
Styles: Okinawan Shorin-ryu Karate-do
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ok,well Karate has groundfighting.
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JohnnyS
Green Belt
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Radok,
Which style of karate?
What techniques?
Where did it get these techniques from?
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Radok
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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The style, Shorin Ryu.
Were they got it, I'm not one of the founding Okinawans, so I can't say.
The techniques, any techniques you decided to interprit as ground based.
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JohnnyS
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Radok,
Do you now believe that BJJ has strikes, or are you making up the karate groundfighting comment out of spite?
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JohnnyS
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Radok,
I'll grant you that karate has techniques such as takedowns and throws and applying a lock from standing on someone on the ground. It does not however, teach escapes or any techniques applied from the ground. So a karate person, unless they've trained in Judo or jiu-jitsu, will not know how to pass the guard, escape from headlock, escape mount etc. There is no ground-grappling in karate.
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Radok
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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1. Spite is a funny word. sorry.
2.Actually, I was told they were there by one of the few 7'th degree black belts of the system.
3. this is funny. There is a Karate practitioner of three years telling you it has ground fighting and you tell me it doesn't. I guess it's just in my imagination then right?
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JohnnyS
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I trained in karate for longer than you and never saw any groundgrappling. Care to tell me how you escape mount, or a headlock or any other "grappling" techniques on the ground?
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on the post.
