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SaiFightsMS
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Joined: 28 Oct 2001
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Location: Ohio
Styles: Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, Shi-to Ryu
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Angus I respect your opionion and I do see your point. You sound like someone with a great deal of natural physical ability and you are young. For the lesser physically endowed and the older muscle memory plays a greater role. Also some people think much faster on their feet than others.
While you are on your feet and thinking fast others have slower gears between their ears and need ways to learn to react without thinking. It takes many many repititions of basic moves for some to even begin to develope that.
The more of your posts I read and think about the more I begin to see a that you aren't just responding off the top of the head like some post may appear at a superficial first glance. I am starting to look forward to reading what you have to say on one had because you view things so opposite as to the way I see them but also because you make me think about why we each see things the way we do.
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Angus
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Joined: 21 Jun 2001
Posts: 1064
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Heh, yeah, i tell myself how wonderful i am every day! 
I try to believe that i see things the way they truly are. I'm the kinda guy who watches martial arts movies and tries to figure out what the people do wrong in their scenes, and i watch taped kickboxing and all that and just watch what goes wrong for the guy who loses.
I emerse myself in a style for a short time and concentrate on its perspectives on realism. That's why i got crappy with a particular form of karate, there were too many bad points outweighing the good. I don't buy all the bullcrap that people try and tell me.
Overall though i'm pretty easy-going, and i'm nowhere near as fit as i should be cos i drink too much beer and eat too much, and i'm not exactly the best person to pass on advice, but hey - i haven't lost an important fight yet, so i guess what i'm practicing in the martial arts must be working for me.
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Karateka
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Joined: 22 Jun 2001
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Location: North Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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As I stated in the Shotokan Forum, kata is not only about fighting others. The enemies in kata are in your mind. Then are they not, in fact, a part of your self. I feel that kata not only refines basics, but calms the mind, body, and spirit to conflict ones inner demons. Kata is a relaxation form. People may say that the moves in kata are just for show, and they are right, in a sense. That is because they don't show the entire thing because a) it looks sloppy and b) they leave room for the imagination. Katas are guides, not crutches. They should not hinder you, but add something to your arsenal.
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Angus
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Location: Australia
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Okay, i'll accept that, but for argument's sake i would say that there are more EFFECTIVE ways of doing these things and that kata is an outdated and near useless tradition. Only my opinion though.
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taezee
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Joined: 12 Jul 2001
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Location: Bayshore New York
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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i will say this about kata or poomse or hyung..these are patterns that build a foundation of actual combat...a building of skills to forming ones own personal style of actual fighting ..very much misunderstood but nessesary....these are the foundation of making fighting skills...i dont mean they are to be followed like scriptures of the bible..but they incorporate the basics for which all combat skills grow from.you gotta start somewhere.its the martial art equivilent of shadow boxing....
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Angus
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, i say doing drills up and down the hall are the foundation of techniques, the theory. The hypothesising is done in sparring, and the proof is found on the street.
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Karateka
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Joined: 22 Jun 2001
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Location: North Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Is not a kata a combination of techniques, like doing drills up and down the hall?
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Angus
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nope.
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Karateka
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I guess no one can change your mind then!
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Angus
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2001 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Nope.
Kata for the less enlightened student can be very confusing, and a single kata does not allow for something else to be done, you are doing the same thing over and over again. I know it's meant to be like a drill or something but Katas are set, they cannot be changed, they teach bad habits if not closely watched. In drills u can do step, punch, kick... then modify it to an infinite number of things: kick, kick, step, punch, kick etc etc...
Doing drills allows your run of the mill, average, every day martial artist who wants to learn to fight the opportunity to develop combinations with a flexibility that he can enjoy, without being told he's doing the drill wrong because the ancient founders did it this way or that way: front snap to the stomach and not the head blah blah blah... useless crap like that.
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on the post.
