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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30347
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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JR 137
Black Belt
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Joined: 10 May 2015
Posts: 2442
Location: In the dojo
Styles: Seido Juku
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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My biggest criticism of Seido is the kobudo policy. Kobudo doesn't start until shodan. Bo, jo, sai and sword are the only weapons. Bo begins at shodan, I think jo begins at sandan, sai at yondan, and sword much later on, possibly 6th dan.
My old school started bo basics at 3rd kyu, and official/traditional bo kata at 2nd kyu. I don't know if it was 3rd kyu or the bo, but we all saw a big leap in skill after a little time with the bo.
I've contemplated buying Nishiuchi's videos and teaching myself, but don't want to get into the bad habits that can result from training without a person to correct me. And he holds the bo differently than I've seen done in Seido. In Seido, the bo is held under the armpit after strikes, whereas Nishiuchi holds it outside the forearm/elbow. I've done both, and strongly prefer Nishiuchi's way.
My old Sensei now teaches Nishiuchi's weapons. He's trained with a few of his students. He offers a kobudo program, but it's an hour drive each way, and conflicts with my regular schedule.
I've always wanted to learn the oar. My old Sensei used to practice it a lot before classes, and I've seen it performed a few times in tournaments. I don't know why, but I just think it's really cool. |
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MAfreak
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Joined: 01 Feb 2016
Posts: 96
Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:13 am Post subject: |
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sword in kobudo?
i thought, its just about converted daily farming items? |
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Spartacus Maximus
Black Belt
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Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Posts: 1921
Styles: Shorin ryu
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Although it is not included in the original kobudo systems commonly taught alongside karate, the sword is sometimes used to practise defensive techniques with the other weapons. Many sword techniques and concepts also apply to the other weapons. This also makes sense from a historical point of view, as those who developed and elaborated the use of the other kobudo weapons belonged to the caste that would have been trained in using swords. |
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Wado Heretic
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Joined: 23 May 2014
Posts: 499
Location: United Kingdom
Styles: Wado-Ryu , Kobayashi Shorin-Ryu (Kodokan), RyuKyu Kobojutsu
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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It is more common to find sword in Japanese schools such as Shindo Jinnen Ryu, Wado Ryu, or Yoseikan which have ties to Koryu schools of Nippon Bujutsu, or schools which originated outside of Japan and Okinawa and have ties to Gendai Budo Jujutsu and adopted the sword due to eclecticism. I would be wary of Occidental schools which include Kenjutsu, as I have seen and encountered a lot of fraudulent practitioners whom have lifted and adopted the Katana with no reference to their actual art. Saying that, I have encountered many sincere practitioners who have a real love for Japanese swordsmanship but have had no other opportunity to practice, but strive to do the best they can with what they have.
The only school of Okinawan Martial Arts I have been able to confirm practice swordsmanship is Motobu-Ryu, and I have heard rumours of other heterodox schools which practice swordsmanship. Saying that though, if the school of Kobudo comes from the Taira line, or claims to do so, then I would be suspicious of the inclusion of swordsmanship; barring schools with their origins in Japan which have adopted both RyuKyu and Nippon Kobujutsu into their approach. _________________ R. Keith Williams |
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Spartacus Maximus
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Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Posts: 1921
Styles: Shorin ryu
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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It is indeed wise to be weary of anyone teaching sword techniques and claming them to be from Okinawan Kobudo. There are only two systems of kobudo widely practised and these are Matayoshi lineage and Ryukyu Kobudo. Neither of these includes any type of sword.
In fact, besides the kama there are no sharp/bladed weapons. The only thing resembling a sword is a short, machete-like weapon called a rochin used with a small round shield. It is rarely seen or taught even in Okinawa.
Okinawan masters of old were actually very familiar with the katana. The originator of Shuri-te(predecessor of shorin ryu), Matsumura Sokon was a master of Jigen Ryu swordsmanship which he learned from the Satsuma samurai clan. Azato, who was Funakoshi's main teacher, was also a master swordsman. |
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JR 137
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Joined: 10 May 2015
Posts: 2442
Location: In the dojo
Styles: Seido Juku
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vantheman
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Posts: 252
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Assuming the question is within the question of Kobudo, mine has got to be the bo. It's long, simple, and elegant. It can look fancy, or it can be simple. It can be a walking implement, or it can be a weapon.
Outside of Kobudo, katanas and handguns are my numbers 1 and 2, respectively. _________________ Van |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16538
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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vantheman wrote: |
Assuming the question is within the question of Kobudo, mine has got to be the bo. It's long, simple, and elegant. It can look fancy, or it can be simple. It can be a walking implement, or it can be a weapon.
Outside of Kobudo, katanas and handguns are my numbers 1 and 2, respectively. |
The old saying...don't ever bring a knife to a gun fight...lol.
OK...tape back over my mouth again.
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Oshishinobu
Orange Belt
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Joined: 09 Apr 2015
Posts: 122
Location: Vancouver, WA
Styles: ISKF Shotokan Karate, Italian Longsword, Kickboxing
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I have to say, and mind you this is not a "kobudo" weapon, but I really love the English military saber, the foot work starts in a loose kokutsudachi and you transition into a leaning zenkutsu to strike. You advance with sugiashi the whole process plays really nice into my karate. I have to say once again my second favorite and to be honest I( am split is the European long-sword. once again atleast in the Fiore system the foot work is so similar to my karate. in terms of "kobudo" I would say Sai is up there but I have been having a "love affair" with the bo. |
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