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tallgeese
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Joined: 04 May 2008
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Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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Yes, but martial artist who've trained a bulk of their lives in unarmed combat are hardly "laymen" when it comes to this field.
Some might still be, but most have been around, seen quite a bit and usually have a keen mind about such matters.
After seeing no evidence (hence, not even seeing the gymnastic feat) for years, and never having accadentally run into anythying that would be classified as dim mak the decision on which side of the fence to fall on become easier.
I'll rethink my feeling on it when I see someone reliably do this kind of thing to another who isn't one of their own students . Then, I'll be an even bigger beleiver when someone utlized it in the UFC, say where opponants move at full speed and are really trying to inflict damage. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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As I've always experienced, the lay person is not satisfied with one's ability to do any feat that they themselves cannot do and which is difficult enough that they have a hard time imagining themselves doing unless magic is invoked.
I have on multiple occasions had people tell me that my ability to do moderately acrobatic feats of balance CANNOT be "just practice and training" as I claim. They ARGUE with me that I am deluded about my non-mystical explanation of how to do them. They invariably conclude that I am obviously using some mystical, magic, non-scientific, non-physical energy or ability, and that I am either lying to them or are deluded about it being a trained skill. |
Man, that's a different approach. I am surprised that someone would actually argue the point like that with you. You should have them come in for a class, so that they can really see what it is all about.
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bushido_man96
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Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| tallgeese wrote: |
| I'll rethink my feeling on it when I see someone reliably do this kind of thing to another who isn't one of their own students . Then, I'll be an even bigger beleiver when someone utlized it in the UFC, say where opponants move at full speed and are really trying to inflict damage. |
I don't think that we will ever see this; not because some of us feel the idea is bunk, but because those that claim to have such abilities insist that they will not ever use it for anything so trivial as winning a competition. So, the proof that we all desire to see will never be allowed to happen.
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ps1
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Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 3025
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| JusticeZero wrote: |
I have on multiple occasions had people tell me that my ability to do moderately acrobatic feats of balance CANNOT be "just practice and training" as I claim. They ARGUE with me that I am deluded about my non-mystical explanation of how to do them. They invariably conclude that I am obviously using some mystical, magic, non-scientific, non-physical energy or ability, and that I am either lying to them or are deluded about it being a trained skill. |
It's funny you mention that! People do the same thing to me. They find out I've been doing martial arts all my life and they assume I can levitate or something. People will believe what they want...truth rarely matters.
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joesteph
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| tallgeese wrote: |
I'll rethink my feeling on it when I see someone reliably do this kind of thing to another who isn't one of their own students . Then, I'll be an even bigger beleiver when someone utlized it in the UFC, say where opponants move at full speed and are really trying to inflict damage.
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I don't think that we will ever see this; not because some of us feel the idea is bunk, but because those that claim to have such abilities insist that they will not ever use it for anything so trivial as winning a competition. So, the proof that we all desire to see will never be allowed to happen. |
Brian, do you remember that there was a posting on another forum about a ki master (the "mystical, magic, non-scientific, non-physical energy or ability" that Justice Zero tries to tell others he does not have) who demonstrated on his students first, then fought a mixed-martial artist? I relocated it on YouTube.
For anyone interested, the quality's not the best; I think it was better in the past. I found it because I knew what to enter from that past posting. It's mistitled (IMO) "Kiai" instead of "Ki" Master, but when you watch it, you'll know what it's about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
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bushido_man96
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I do recall that video. But, what I am mentioning, is the televised appearance in an MMA competition, like the UFC, or the Affliction, or even the UFC Fight Nights on cable.
But thanks for bringing that up, Joe. It does provide some cross-examination material.
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Kuma
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joesteph
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In the article, below the photos, it says that when the victim fell, he struck his head against railings, resulting in multiple head injuries, which took his life.
The article does make clear, though, that if we strike or use a takedown, the guy on the receiving end may experience greater injury than we intended--from the fall. It's not only in the movies or on TV, where somebody hit his head on the rock that just happened to be there; someone can land on a cement sidewalk, etc. It doesn't even have to result in death to cause greater damage, like a fractured hip from the fall.
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bushido_man96
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FitOrDie!
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Okay, so much quoting, cross talking... I get lost, so let's just ask.
Does anyone posting still believe in the Dim Mak?
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